Social media is not just about building your brand and reputation. It’s about connecting to your customers, helping them, turning them into your advocates and building loyalty.
It’s not easy but luckily we have an expert today who literally wrote a book on that!
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About Dan
Dan Gingiss @dgingiss is author, “Winning at Social Customer Care: How Top Brands Create Engaging Experiences on Social Media” and co-host of “Experience This!” podcast (together with @thejoeycoleman).
Dan is also Vice President @Persado’s Marketing Language Cloud which uses machine learning to predict the best possible language for virtually any marketing campaign
Questions we discussed
Q1 How did you become a digital marketer? Please share your career story!
I started in direct #marketing right out of college, at @TheDanburyMint. There I developed and executed campaigns in direct mail, package inserts, and the Sunday coupons. This job definitely solidified my pre-digital marketing skills.
A1 14 months unemployed from financial and then entry into a great NY State retraining program got me started with @bevisible, and then I joined @diditmarketing and @dailynewsdigital. Now I am having a great time at @weareoverpass! #vcbuzz
— Chris Bell (@riskycontent) May 8, 2018
At the @KelloggSchool I took my first marketing classes and learned that what I had been doing for 4 years had actual names, frameworks, and strategies!
@jessytroy It's a super-fun business: high-end collectibles like Betty Boop dolls, Coca-Cola trucks, sports stadium replicas, etc. #vcbuzz
— Dan Gingiss (@dgingiss) May 8, 2018
I wish I had degree in marketing too! I’d know the proper names for everything I am doing 🙂 #vcbuzz https://t.co/wmQgIL65KW
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) May 8, 2018
Haha, that’s exactly what I learned in business school. I was one of the few people who hadn’t had any formal marketing education before that.
I spent more than a decade in financial services marketing, first at @MesirowFin and then at @Discover. At the latter I began my digital career by leading Digital #CustomerExperience and Social Media.
This sounds VERY innovative! RT @dgingiss: A1. @Persado uses AI and machine learning to predict the perfect language for any marketing campaign. #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) May 8, 2018
Social media stuck out to me as different from other marketing channels because it’s the only one where customers can talk back. I immediately found this to be fascinating.
A1. Recently I left Corporate America to join a marketing startup called @Persado. We use AI and machine learning to predict the perfect language for any marketing campaign. You can read more about my move here: https://t.co/ci2oVzPInO #vcbuzz
— Dan Gingiss (@dgingiss) May 8, 2018
Q2 Why do brands need to integrate social customer care in their traditional customer care process? Are there examples of brands who do it right?
Much of the customer care process can be replicated in social media, but it often starts off in a corner, separate from the rest of the organization.
Integration brings the voice of the customer closer to the organization because social media provides endless insights into what customers like and dislike about your company.
A2. Some great examples of brands who are crushing it in social customer care: @TMobile, @Telstra, @Spotify, @JetBlue, @brewhouse, @OtterBox, @Discover #vcbuzz
— Dan Gingiss (@dgingiss) May 8, 2018
A2 Because brand experience that the customer gets determines success. Too often brand is associated strictly with marketing when Brand and brand experience should permeate the organization. #vcbuzz
— Chris Bell (@riskycontent) May 8, 2018
The best of the best in social customer care respond to every question, complaint, and compliment from their customers.
Q3 What are the most frequent mistakes brands make when attempting to build their social media presence?
Assuming that social media is “just another marketing channel”. Treating social like another megaphone channel — where the brand does all the talking and we all have to listen – will not work.
Forgetting that “social media” has two words. Brands quickly understand the “media” part, but the “social” part is often foreign. Consumers today want to have a human-to-human relationship with brands, so brands must be ready to engage.
Always be responsive. Even if you can’t solve the customer’s issue right away, people want to be listened to. #vcbuzz
— Anh Nguyen (@AnhTNguyen) May 8, 2018
Believing that people want to see marketing messages. Unless you are one of the most famous, likable brands in the world (think @CocaCola) or you have a uniquely loyal customer base, most people don’t wake up in the morning wanting to hear from your company.
Not responding to everyone in social media. Complaints are critical because they tell you what’s not working in your business, and most complainers genuinely want a resolution. Compliments are people giving your brand free marketing; the least we can do is say thanks!
A3 NOT monitoring competitors on social media: Their mistakes – your opportunity to shine! #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) May 8, 2018
Not understanding that every facet of the customer experience can end up on social media. People share remarkable experiences – both positive and negative. Social can help prepare the rest of the organization by fixing pain points & increasing positive experiences.
While I do agree that usually we don't want to see marketing messages, I actually go out of my way to look for them if they're #smallbiz brands I buy from regularly. @dgingiss #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) May 8, 2018
That’s great! I would put you in the “uniquely loyal customer” category then.
Brands need to understand that if we complain on social media that usually means we have been unsuccessful at resolving the issue via chat, phone, or email first @dgingiss #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) May 8, 2018
A3 Thinking of people as an audience to push things AT, rather than a community to interact WITH, is a big mistake brands make. #vcbuzz
— Martin Lieberman (@martinlieberman) May 8, 2018
Q4 Apart from your book, what other resources and books do we need to read to become better at social media community building and customer care?
The first resource I would recommend is the book “Hug Your Haters” by @jaybaer, which was an inspiration for me. This lays out the case for why social customer care is so important, based on research and brand examples. My book then focuses more on the “how”.
A4 I love everything @jaybaer does! @dgingiss #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) May 8, 2018
A4. Follow some customer service and customer experience leaders on Twitter to get a sense for the right way to treat your customers: @Hyken @JeanneBliss @BlakeMichelleM @joshuamarch @BillQuiseng @CustomerIsFirst #vcbuzz
— Dan Gingiss (@dgingiss) May 8, 2018
I had not come across @VegaTeam but am following them now @dgingiss I could introduce them to @FrogHollowFarm awesome #organic #fruit One of my favorites. #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) May 8, 2018
Participate in the weekly #custserv Twitter chat on Tuesdays at 9 PM EDT. Hosted by @MarshaCollier @RoyAtkinson @GregOrtbach @AlHopper_ & @ImMarkBernhardt, it’s a great way to meet and learn from others who are interested in customer service and social customer care.
Listen to @FSaucier’s amazing Socially Supportive podcast, which she produces every weekday.
A4 Brands need to train their social media people. I've actually had a brand I'm loyal to delete THEIR VIDEO I shared on their FB page to answer another customer. They said they don't allow customers to share on their page. Hmmmm. #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) May 8, 2018
Attend a conference like the @Incite_Group’s Customer Service Summit, which brings together leaders from dozens of brands who are all working to be the best at social customer care. It’s a great community and I learn something new every year.
Q5 What are your favorite social media community building + customer care tools?
I personally like engaging with people directly in Twitter because it’s where all the action is. For companies, however, a separate tool is usually necessary.
A5 Mine: @hootsuite #vcbuzz
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) May 8, 2018
For small businesses, I like @hootsuite. It allows you to track search terms, accounts, or hashtags, and respond directly in the platform.
A5 I am my own best social media community building tool. Being a person, engaging with others … that’s what does it. #vcbuzz
— Martin Lieberman (@martinlieberman) May 8, 2018
For mid/large businesses, @Conversocial is terrific. @joshuamarch is one of the true thought leaders in the social customer space and the platform was built entirely for social and direct message engagement across platforms from an agent’s perspective.
A5 Tools I use: @Cyfe for monitoring @MavSocial for scheduling and all the native apps for engaging! #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) May 8, 2018
For global, multinational businesses, an “all in one” platform is often necessary to cover publishing, insights, and engagement. Check out @Sprinklr in this space.
A5 While I use TWchat and @MavSocial and @Dlvrit and other tools, I actually participate on Twitter primarily directly ON Twitter. I should use @Cyfe more, but when I passed 100k followers it stopped displaying my Twitter info? #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) May 8, 2018
Always be learning from others by attending conferences, participating in Twitter chats like #vcbuzz, reading books and articles, and sharing what you learn. We’re all in this together, and I truly believe there’s no such thing as a social media “expert”!
Our previous customer care chats:
- Community Management Twitter Chat with @NikkiElizDemere of @InboundOrg #VCBuzz
- #HOWTO Community Management with Kelly Hungerford @KDHungerford #VCBuzz
- Social Media Customer Service & Community Building #VCBuzz Twitter Chat with @SEOAware
- Customer Success Twitter Chat with @_CamilleTaylor
- Social Proof: #CRO Twitter Chat with Angie Schottmuller @aschottmuller
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