There are many way to earn your living online and one of those methods is definitely selling your services. But how to start?
That’s something we are going to talk about today!
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About Kelly
Kelly Hungerford @KDHungerford is no stranger to #VCBuzz. We already chatted with Kelly back when she was a successful community manager at Paper.li
Kelly has started her digital marketing and community managing services since then, so she definitely knows how to do that.
@vcbuzz For sure I've learned a lot on this journey. Happy to share successes and failures! #vcbuzz
— Kelly Hungerford (@KDHungerford) June 20, 2017
Check out Kelly’s website Community Works
Questions we discussed
Q1 Why did you decide to go solo? What was your moment when you finally decided you need to make it happen?
Going solo/freelancing wasn’t on my radar until I no longer had a job (that wasn’t my plan!) Solopreneur became my plan A.
But I was really encouraged: Switzerland is behind the curve in digital & 25% of the workforce are freelance! I didn’t know until I researched it. I was amazed. It couldn’t have happened at a better time!
I saw this as a great sign freelance & freelance agency models. Swiss employees & companies are ready to embrace freelancers.
@seosmarty Sometimes it take the rug to be pulled out from underneath us. I guess we're all happy be comfy (& not 100% happy? 🙂 #vcbuzz
— Kelly Hungerford (@KDHungerford) June 20, 2017
I quickly learned there’s a big difference between leading/ working with small teams, & then being your own 1 person small team.
But I remember thinking this is great but…. where do I start? I’m truly the cobbler’s child. I don’t have a website!
Q2 “What am I worth?” How to decide how much you need to charge for your services? Do you charge per hour or by task? How to make all those decisions?
I’m not always consistent!
First of all, charge what you think you are worth. You probably are. Don’t short sell yourself. I learned the hard way! Now my approach is see where the project fits, or if it is a fit at all. Then categorize it.
I learned quickly I was terrible at qualifying my own leads/projects. Because ‘I can’ isn’t always the best reason ‘to do’. Now I categorize projects first into three areas: On Plan, Off Plan, For Good. It looks like this –> 60/30/10.
On Plan projects are strategic, they help me reach a larger goal of increasing skill sets, positioning new projects, references.
For Good projects follow a passion or help others: I believe in the favor economy. I build For Good projects into my strategy 🙂
For Good projects can be helping an entrepreneur, startup or friends. I spent 10% of my week on For Good.
Not too consistent at this… sadly RT @KDHungerford: How do you price or qualify projects? I'd love to hear your thoughts! #vcbuzz
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) June 20, 2017
I’ve cut down substantially on Off Plan projects. If my heart isn’t into my work, my work won’t be stellar. That’s no good.
Excellent way of looking at off-center projects, Kelly @KDHungerford. For me, the big hurdle is not getting bogged down with them. #vcbuzz
— Don Sturgill (@DonSturgill) June 20, 2017
It’s tough. I don’t have it mastered. I know I need to take them sometimes, but I try not to take many!
A2 If I am very excited at the project I am approached it, I will even work for free… follow your heart!… #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) June 20, 2017
A2 If someone refers a client to me, that's almost always a go. Nothing beats personal recommendation #vcbuzz
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) June 20, 2017
I learned: good way to find out market price — ask! Transparency helps us all align & keep prices up where they should be.
https://twitter.com/jessytroy/status/877199873900204032
We’re going to spend the same amount of time doing the work. I want it to count!
Pricing projects is difficult and I’m convinced there is no One Price Fits All. Make sure you love the project! That counts!
https://twitter.com/jessytroy/status/877200035716505601
@azehrams that's just the truth 🙂 Sorry! I get myself too busy with free projects most of the time #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) June 20, 2017
@seosmarty That's the awful part. But you know — people do business with people, not marketing slogans. If we stay true, it comes. #vcbuzz
— Kelly Hungerford (@KDHungerford) June 20, 2017
A2 I am a firm believer in Karma… If I help others, others will help me even of those are different people 🙂 @KDHungerford #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) June 20, 2017
@seosmarty Giving back is fun! Plus, most non-profit boards consist on biz owners. Gratitude is memorable. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Way too many freelancers undercharge. It doesn't matter how many others work cheap. DO NOT DO IT! @KDHungerford #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) June 20, 2017
Q3 How to market your services business? As much as I dislike the phrase… How to sell yourself these days?
I am TERRIBLE at selling me, but I love to help. So I get out and network to talk about what I love to do. That comes naturally. I think marketing yourself is one of the toughest jobs. Talking about myself? Ugh. I sell through talking about what I love.
It’s not easy. There is no one price fits all. Most importantly I look at what I can learn. That’s worth $$. For me the best way to ‘sell me’ is to be me. I get out & network as much as possible. I feel I’m ‘my best content’ in person.
My goal is to build my business here locally. Even if they are virtual projects. So I use an online/offline strategy.
A3 I am so bad at selling myself that I find it hard to intro myself at panels I speak at… 😊 "I am Ann Smarty… umm that's it" #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) June 20, 2017
I use an online/offline: Local events & WOM to build local funnel. Online curation, community engagement to build EU projects.
I use social media & events to build awareness and drive traffic to my website. Is that a good strategy? It works for me!
Spoiler alert. I don’t create content. I have a one blog post on my blog & I ditched WP for @strikingly!
A3. I used to choose a non-profit to donate 40 hours of services to every year. I always stayed busy with referrals. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Great strategy! That’s the best way. They meet you, know you, trust you.
@KDHungerford It was always the best experience…I was always encouraged and supported. Given more than I gave. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
I co-started @wdswitzerland as a nationwide networking platform. It’s a massive lead generator for the 1000+ members! #Golocal! Social: Twitter & LI, w/ strong connections to communities & a love for content curation has been great for generating leads too.
My message: solopreneurs, freelancers, you can launch your services/drive leads/get clients w/o blogging/writing –>network!
Big difference between social media centered biz and content centered biz. They aren't the same, but can work together. #vcbuzz
— Don Sturgill (@DonSturgill) June 20, 2017
Agree! I found it depended on my goals. I’m not a service selling recurring services. I can work w/o content creation.
I’m not saying content creation isn’t important, I think it needs to align w/ goals, type of biz you have, resources, budget.
I feel we are best when we aren’t selling. That’s why I love meetups and events. We come across more human, natural.
@manifestcon It's really rewarding. We have monthly meetups in 5 cities across Switzerland & 1 annual conference! #vcbuzz
— Kelly Hungerford (@KDHungerford) June 20, 2017
You can set up repeating events. Here's a how-to for Australia; US is probably the same https://t.co/hPiXj17tWk @logz05 #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) June 20, 2017
Q4 What are the tools that help you market, sell and provide your own services?
As a biz owner, I am really low tech. My most effective marketing tools are Twitter, LinkedIn, local events & WoM.
I grew up in a house of small business owners. All my parents talked about was referral & word of mouth. It stuck with me!
A4. I relied on referrals. I always asked if they knew any other biz owners I could help. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
https://twitter.com/jessytroy/status/877204011547598849
When I couldn’t find the local event I wanted, I helped create it! Otherwise I use Meetup and Eventbrite is brilliant for finding local events. Often, they are free!
A4 Optimize your site to generate leads using @Sumome or @OptinMonster. I also started using @Leadberry & @Leadberry #vcbuzz
— Ann Smarty (@seosmarty) June 20, 2017
@jessytroy Eventbrite is the #1 site for listing both online and offline events. If you want to find one, that's the place to look. #vcbuzz
— Gail Gardner (@GrowMap) June 20, 2017
Online or offline, community building and engagement along with referrals from clients are my two best marketing tools.
The WoM from a client is so powerful. It’s another reason for me to make sure I am taking project work I love. Referrals = leads.
@seekristintweet How was Linkedin working for you? I tried asking friends to be introduced there… Worked nice a couple of times #vcbuzz
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) June 20, 2017
A4. I used the @inkcards app to snap photos and send thank yous. I'd see them on office bboards often! #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
@manifestcon LinkedIn is ok. Even better, I joined my clients @ events, offered 2 live tweet, take photos, etc. & met other biz ppl #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Shining the spotlight on the people who matter most is such a winning strategy. Love it!
Collaborating with freelancers is a great way to grow referral biz. I bring as many into projects as I can.
A4. I am not sales-y. I just really like to help. I used that strength to grow my clients. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Q5 Running your own business is overwhelming! How do you keep yourself organized?
Organization? I still have room for improvement! Can’t live w/o Trello, Evernote, Google docs, google drive, cloud, apps!
A5. I use Pinterest to organize ideas. Evernote to organize research. Google Calendar to track appts. @Starbucks to keep moving! #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
I moved from @Trello to @KanbanFlow … best move ever. Way more powerful and still free. Incredible. #vcbuzz
— Don Sturgill (@DonSturgill) June 20, 2017
Also great. A lot of people from the tech community I know use it and love it!
I surround myself with amazing freelance peeps like @IvaIgnjatovic, @magdaATQ, @madlemmingz. This helps me keep organized!
I find it tough to balance between doing work and managing work. Identify people to work with that carry the skills you lack.
Working with people that carry the skills I don’t have, I learn & distribute tasks that aren’t strengths. Very effective. One thing I’ve learned with productivity and organization is that I do better when I take more breaks. I stop every 45 mins. Dream team of apps! 🙂
@KDHungerford How do you find those people who can help? #vcbuzz
— Anna Fox (@manifestcon) June 20, 2017
Through social media & communities. That’s how I met @IvaIgnjatovic, @magdaATQ, @madlemmingz, @pamdidner!
A5. Find a student who wants to learn what you do and mentor them. Pay them a little…#digitalnatives are full of hacks. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Great way to mentor and build in a freelance ally for the future!
Another great duo: whatsapp -> dropbox -> social media. I use this all of the time for organizing Tweet events for clients.
https://twitter.com/jessytroy/status/877208823630639105
@jessytroy It's tough not to get too drawn in. I am very operational. Easy for me to get lost. @IvaIgnjatovic keeps me on track! 🙂 #vcbuzz
— Kelly Hungerford (@KDHungerford) June 20, 2017
A5. I like @IFTTT sequences to automate what I can. #vcbuzz
— Kristin Huntley (@seekristintweet) June 20, 2017
Last organisational hack -> Shut down, turn off & go outside. When I work less I am more productive. Built in funtime’s a must!
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